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[转贴]家用电脑寻找引力波

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发表于 2006-3-16 22:48:58 | 显示全部楼层
我早就不算SETI了,把找外星人的精力放在天体物理上好了:)这个项目是可以替代SETI的(SETI的狂热份子例外,呵呵)
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发表于 2006-3-16 23:06:39 | 显示全部楼层
引用 Youth 在 2006-3-16 22:04 时的帖子:
s5后面还会有s6之类的吗?哪里有这方面的介绍?

http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=3687
注意2楼的回答。但是没有说到S6
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发表于 2006-3-17 08:27:20 | 显示全部楼层
看到后面Ben Owen的一篇回复:

I normally hang out on the Science board, but this is an important question.

For one thing, if it takes us 200 days to analyze every 600 hours of data, we are running a factor of 8 too slow to keep up with the data. Or you can flip it and say we can only analyze 1/8 of the data.

This directly affects our science goal. You could view it as reducing the range to which we could see a nearby neutron star which is invisible but emitting gravitational waves. It's hard to quantify in an easily explainable way since a lot of factors come in, like how much data we analyze, whether 600 hours comes in 60x10-hour chunks or 20x30-hour chunks (the latter is better), what frequency band and frequency changes we can look at, what age object we can look at. For that matter, we haven't even properly quantified it at the technical journal article level, though we're working on it.

But it is a qualitatively true statement that we are computationally limited. There is a limit on the range of the search set by the operation of the instrument - its noise spectrum, duty cycle, noise statistics - which would exist even if we had all the computing power in the world, and we are nowhere near that limit. But every CPU donating cycles gets us closer.

And it is also a true statement that we very much appreciate every CPU cycle you can spare. When I was a grad student, the all-sky pulsar search was considered absolutely hopeless. Now we are actually doing it, at some non-ridiculous fraction of the instrumental limit, and it would not be happening without you.

Thank you very much,
Ben

看来目前这个项目是比较缺计算力的,我准备少算一些其它的项目全力支援Einstein@home了:)
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发表于 2006-3-17 09:44:35 | 显示全部楼层
俺认为,这确实是一个比较有意义,又体现科学无国界的项目。

建议大家放弃CPDN:以俺20余年的气象工作和科研的经历来看,n多结果永远无法验证,甚至无法确定那些结果出现的概率更大一点儿。

至于那些用于制药和可能用于军事的粒子项目,俺也不想帮助他们制造高价药卖给我,制造更高性能的高能武器来打我。建议大家,能放弃,就放弃吧

借用YOUTH版主的话:勿忘国耻~振兴中华
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发表于 2006-3-17 13:10:17 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,看来楼上也是(老?)前辈了,致敬一下:)

刚才翻了一下s3的报告,最后有提到:

The initial LIGO detectors are scheduled to begin a series of long data runs (S5) in late 2005, operating for the first time at their design sensitivity. As the initial LIGO interferometers start to search for the first gravitational wave signals, the LIGO Lab, the LIGO Scientific Collaboration, and international partners are beginning work on an Advanced LIGO upgrade [40] to improve the sensitivity by more than a factor of 10. Since the volume of space that the instrument can see grows as the cube of the distance, this means that the event rates will be 100 to 1,000 times greater than for initial LIGO.

This new detector will be installed in the existing LIGO vacuum system at the LIGO Hanford and Livingston Observatories. This upgrade will replace the present detector after the present detector has reached its goal of a year of observation at design sensitivity. Advanced LIGO will transform gravitational wave science into a real observational tool. It is anticipated that this new instrument will discover new gravitational wave sources as often as once per day, with excellent signal strength, allowing details of the waveforms to be read off and compared with theories of neutron stars, black holes, and other highly relativistic objects.

s5的数据是目前的LIGO设备在设计精度上运行一年左右所采集的。之后设备将进行升级,而新设备的能力说是可以每天找到一个引力波源!打个不太恰当的比方,就是现在还是在研究望远镜的原理,以后就是直接生产高精度的望远镜了:)
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发表于 2006-3-17 13:22:22 | 显示全部楼层
不活之年
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-17 13:38:21 | 显示全部楼层
三十而立,四十而不惑,五十而知天命,六十而耳顺,七十而从心所欲,不逾矩。

失敬失敬。
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发表于 2006-3-17 14:03:36 | 显示全部楼层
活着真烦,搞科学真清净;可惜不幸生在中国,和煤黑子也没有太大区别
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-17 14:08:28 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,活着真烦,搞科学真清净。
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发表于 2006-3-18 13:51:43 | 显示全部楼层
引用 前朝遗少 在 2006-3-17 09:44 时的帖子:
俺认为,这确实是一个比较有意义,又体现科学无国界的项目。

建议大家放弃CPDN:以俺20余年的气象工作和科研的经历来看,n多结果永远无法验证,甚至无法确定那些结果出现的概率更大一点儿。

至于那些用于制 ...

不要放弃CPDN啊,重在参与嘛。如果参与都放弃了,那么气候科学的进展将会更慢。只要是真正用于公益的项目,都应该支持!虽然不一定能提供多少计算资源,提供了也未必能有多大个帮助,但是参与本身就是聚集人气,发展科技的一种方式。我们不但要发展科学技术,还要发展科学精神嘛。很难说一个项目是否比另外一个项目更具有现实意义,也不能这么比,君不见“最没现实意义”的SETI的计算资源反而最多吗?所以是兴趣爱好的问题,就不要发动大家都放弃CPDN了啊。而我自己只参加了CPDN和E这两个项目。
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